That man of mine has an incredible knack for getting himself involved in pissing matches with silly people who get all up in arms about things that really just don’t matter. The type of folks who will twist your words to fit their agenda whichever way works out best for them. This week, though, really takes the cake. Let me just cut right to the chase.
Sunday night, that kinky social networking site we’ve all come to know and love (mostly) went down. Whoever’s behind FetLife’s Twitter account (I’ll happily admit that I have long since forgotten) tweeted “Whoops… FetLife just went down like a drunk hooker.”
And as you can imagine, the scathing hordes of “rape culture” warriors descended upon the harmless humor all full of fire and brimstone. Prostitutes, it seems, are “off limits” when it comes to jokes. (As well as LGBT people and minorities. Never mind the fact that most of the prostitutes, LGBT people and minorities I know crack jokes about themselves.)
One of the nicer tweets that made the rounds: Dear FetLife: Please don’t make nasty hooker jokes. A lot of the people who support your site are sex workers. xoxo, Me #FetLife
But FetLife didn’t say anything about anyone being nasty. And since when is going down nasty anyway? So much for sex positiveness, I guess.
Even Jiz Lee got involved, demanding FetLife offer free ad space to sex worker advocacy groups.
.@FetLife That calls for a public apology and maybe free adspace for sex worker orgs. Your “Drunk hooker” joke was not appropriate.
A few others chimed in, all, “Yeah, FetLife should totally do that!” Because, you know, FetLife doesn’t already support a great many sex-related advocacy groups like the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom. FetLife politely responded that organizations who would like FetLife’s support need only contact them. And good for them. It was a flipping joke.
In any case, FetLife, being the magnanimous organization that they are, apologized for offending people. They used the classic “quell the storm” response we’ve seen from so many well-known people and organizations who’ve eaten their own shoe leather over jokes that really shouldn’t be stirring up so much shit, “I’m sorry if I’ve offended you.” But of course, the rape culture warriors are too smart for this type of patronizing apology.
“I’d be fine with @Fetlife making stupid comments. We all do. But not knowing how to apologize is a problem.” said LiteratePervert.
Someone questioned FetLife’s reading comprehension skills. “It appears @Fetlife only apologized because we called them out on twitter but they still don’t understand why.”
Someone else said, “Excusing it as ‘just a joke’ undermines any intention you had of apologizing. Do you even understand why people were offended?”
FetLife fought back suggesting they’d followed the rules of engagement, and the naysayers flat out said FL’s apology meant nothing because they didn’t understand why the joke was offensive.
Hell, I don’t know why the joke was offensive. And neither did M. So he bounded into the fray, guns blazing, set to defend a website he really cannot stand on a good day because he felt they were being wronged.
To FetLife’s apology, M responded, “Don’t apologize, it was a joke. People need to stop looking for reasons to get pissed off, just for the sake of being pissed off.” And just like that, he became part of the problem.
Oral sex jokes about sex workers were likened to homosexual and racial slurs. Jokes made about appearance and social skills at the expense of non-sex workers, LGBTs or minorities were brushed aside as inconsequential. The people railing against perceived discrimination against a marginalized group of people they think no one cares about did the very same thing to another group of people who, while not in quite so dangerous a profession, still suffer quite a bit of bullshit belittling. But that’s okay because serial killers aren’t targeting them.
Wait, what? It is okay to bully and belittle someone so long as someone isn’t trying to kill them?
M and the rest of FetLife’s supporters were made to look like they just don’t care about sex workers. The attack went on and on and on until the supporters stopped responding and FetLife gave a “real apology”. Which is often the case. Heaven forbid anyone listen to reason and, you know, not be the very thing they claim they’re fighting against.
For the record, there is not a single person, race, religion, gender, sexual identity or creed who hasn’t been targeted by some other person, race, religion, gender, sexual identity or creed for some form of discrimination or another. Everyone has their detractors. It’s part of life.
However! None of FetLife’s supporters (or even FetLife itself) were trying to discredit the fact that many sex workers are in the field because they have no choice. Their situation was created by some outside force and for whatever reason they have no way out. They are oppressed. Forced into something they do not want to be doing. No one suggested anything to the contrary.
Here’s the thing, though. I’ve met more prostitutes and strippers and porn stars and blah who are in their biz for the money than I have people forced into the life. It’s more fun to pay for college by dancing in your underwear. What better way to be considered sexy and famous than being an adult performer and being good at what you do?
Does that make the plight of the sex workers who were forced into it any less dire? No. And no one’s saying it does. But dude, hookers go down. Non-hookers go down. Men go down. Women go down. Transgender people go down. Oral sex is just as natural and sexy and enjoyable and loving as vaginal or anal. It’s not demeaning. It’s not discriminatory to say someone goes down.
I could see getting all up in arms if FetLife tweeted, “Whoops… FetLife just went down like a drunk hooker getting pimp slapped.” But they didn’t! They didn’t say all hookers were drunk, or all hookers went down. They didn’t say hookers are sluts for going down (though I thought we were taking “slut” back?), or that they’re only slutty when they’re drunk, or even that there’s a problem with being a slut.
It was a joke. It was funny. It did not warrant the days long Twitter war, or demands for repentance and some boon in support of sex workers.
So M, after describing the situation, says to a coworker, “I don’t get it. What’re they so offended by? Is it the going down? Or the being drunk?”
His coworker responded, “Maybe it’s the implication that they drink on the job.”
And I dissolved into a fit of giggles.
You’re right, rape culture warriors. We don’t get what’s so offensive about suggesting someone does their job. And we’re really not sure how saying a hooker goes down is “compounding the stigma”. But thanks for playing anyhow.
What do you guys think?






alisha
when i first read this, i thought they meant going down, like, falling down. not oral sex.
which could be offensive because of the stereotype of substance abusing sex workers that can’t stay on their high heels..?
Dangerous Lilly
I can’t figure out if you *actually* thought oral sex had anything to do with the well-worn one-liner or if you’re just baiting those who found it offensive.
NymphetamineKiss
Honestly, I really think it got blown WAY out of proportion. And for what it’s worth, I’m totally pro sex work. I’ve cammed on and off, and have friends who are escorts.
To be honest, I really think some people just wanted a stick to beat fetlife with, and something they could use as a label to make some demands with.
NK x
Tobi
You reiterate several times that you don’t understand the offense, but did you ask for an explanation? I would assume you did but you don’t mention it or any explanations in yur article. I sincerely doubt the offense is, as you suggest, the implication that sex workers engage in oral sex. More likely it is the connection made between oral sex and being incapacitated, or the implication that drunk sex workers go down faster,or that anyone is easier when drunk, or the way all of these work together.
Overall, isn’t it a good idea to understand a protest before diving into the fray or write an article condemning those who complained as simply being humorless?
PrefersToBeAnonymous
I think Rayne pretty much speaks for many of us when she says she doesn’t get it because there really is no reasonable explanation for the outrage other than “you hurt sex workers feelings by pointing out that a) they might perform oral sex and b) some of them are drunk when they work.” Sorry, but both statements are true and if you aren’t comfortable with that, stop by and take one of them to an AA meeting.
Humor can be derogatory and demeaning, but it’s largely harmless and negligible in its contribution to the problems faced by those who are the target of said jokes. At worst, it’s insensitive.
I think we all know that the world is an insensitive place to live for all of us and any one of us has behaved insensitively at one point or another (or all the time). It’s not that people shouldn’t try to be sensitive to others, just that those who come to the defense of victims need to have a little perspective.
I personally believe sex-workers could benefit from the legalization of their profession —and the assistance and support of everybody who came to their defense this week — but not like this.
What offends me is how much effort was wasted this week on an attack toward the spokesperson for an organization dedicated to providing a place for people who experience intolerance elsewhere. The focus of those who care so much about how others perceive sex workers should be in seeking out real condemnation of sex work and actual persecution, victimization and discrimination of people who are sex workers.
If any of you had spent your time going out into your community and volunteering for a sex-workers rights organization or actually fighting to improve conditions for sex workers instead of bitching to each other on Twitter you might have actually. made. a difference.
Melen
I think “Perfers” has said most of what I would say.
Other than that, I’m nearly speechless. I’ve been on the Internet for a long, long time with 15 years being professionally), and I’ve seen people lose their shit over the tiniest of perceived insults, but this one is in my list of top 10 ridiculous causes of people getting riled up.
Yes, Lily, everyone I’ve shown the tweet to interprets the “went down” as oral sex. You obviously interpret it in a different way. I have yet to run into anyone that thinks that meant anything other than oral sex.
Just to make sure I wasn’t totally insane, I even showed it to some non-community people, just to get their opinion. Most chuckled, some said “stupid joke”, but all interpreted it as referring to oral sex. You certainly didn’t elaborate as to your interpretation in your comment; it was simply meant as a dig against rayne. Congrats, +1 for you.
Anyways, based on that, what exactly is the offense? That hookers perform oral sex? They do (and so do non-hookers, big deal)! That they get drunk? Same answer. They do! And so do non-hookers. Is it the implication that getting a hooker drunk will get you sex? Also true of non-hookers as well.
That tiny tweet wasn’t endorsing going out and getting a hooker drunk for a free blowjob, and only individuals with a self serving agenda would interpret so few characters in that way.
I don’t know if anyone noticed, but nearly anything you say can be taken as an insult to *someone* on this planet. It’s not even appropriate to refer to someone as “him” or “her” anymore, lest you accidentally “label” someone who prefers to use some self-made term to describe themselves. Talk about shit storm, even if the perpetrator was completely innocent and had absolutely no way of knowing beforehand.
By the time you’re all done censoring and attacking companies and individuals for meaningless jokes and perceived slights we’ll have no freedom to speak at all. As it is, you all, supposed crusaders of free speech and open-mindedness, beat Fetlife with a proverbial stick and forced them to backtrack. Disgusting and hypocritical in my book. Enjoy your “victory”, such as it is.
Maybe some of you would’ve preferred “went down like a paid hooker”, unless, for some reasons, “hooker” no longer refers to a person who provides sex for payment (in which case what planet am I on???). I’m sure someone would come up with a way to be offended by that as well, even tho it would then be literally and factually correct.
I’m sure someone will use this to label me a misogynist, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. I not only do not hate women, I don’t have any issues with sex workers either, especially since rayne was one herself at one point.
Kitty Stryker
Women can say misogynistic things. People of colour can say racist things. Sex workers can say things that are anti-sex work, or did last weeks Furrygirl vs Madison Young debate not demonstrate that..?
We live in a culture that is violent in many ways towards sex workers, along with many other minorities. When people call you out on the entitlement that often comes with such humour, reflect on why it’s so important to you to cling to your “joke” instead of apologize. Is it that important to you to tell drunk hooker jokes? Really? Is that an important part of your sense of humour? Why? Does “freedom of speech” cover hate speech? Where do you draw the line on what constitutes such speech?
I mean, I’m glad “freedom of speech” covers some of the transphobic shit in the above comments (“It’s not even appropriate to refer to someone as “him” or “her” anymore, lest you accidentally “label” someone who prefers to use some self-made term to describe themselves”) too, aren’t you? Awesome.
If you say something offensive, is it really so terrible to apologize for saying something offensive? Is that “political correctness gone wild” or just being a polite human being who doesn’t like to inflict hurt on others and apologizes when things they do or say adds to institutionalized violence?
Thank goodness for this “freedom of speech”, because without it it’d be a lot more difficult to tell who the asshats are.
Ace Havok
Hey, just to respond to the last-ish question in the article. I think for me the thing that gave me a twinge of akwardness was the “drunk” think. because for me that made it feel derogatory, I think it’s because of the perception some people have that hookers are often off their face on substances or, that it isn’t a real job maybe, could be a bit of both.
going down like a hooker is fine! funny even! I know I enjoy my job! but the drunk hooker., yeh just didn’t sit right.
Love n hugs
Ace Havok, professional whore @smut peddler inc.
xx
Sharon Wachsler
Whether or not a comment about a marginalized community is intended to be funny or not is not relevant to whether it causes harm. Dehumanizing jokes about people with disabilities or women or people or color or sex workers are still hurtful and dehumanizing.
I find it odd that you don’t understand why the joke was offensive, yet you are working so hard to defend it. Wouldn’t you like to know what you’re defending? Since you found it funny, do you know what you’re laughing at? Could it be that what you’re laughing at is part of the problem, and that’s what makes it difficult to admit that you found it funny (without judging yourself or those who don’t find it funny)?
If I say something that hurts someone, I want to understand why I hurt them, and I want to try to listen to their concerns and offer them my support and regret that I did something that they found hurtful. I want to make an effort to learn from the experience, to grow, to better understand my fellow human beings. This can be an opportunity for healing for marginalized people and growth for people who have unknowingly said/done something harmful.
Yes, I might initially feel embarrassed or ashamed or defensive. But I have discovered that the more I am able to set those feelings aside and really listen to others’ feelings and needs, the more I am able to not have my own sense of self-worth get tied up in mistakes I make. I am able to work to minimize harm and move on to a better relationship with other people and with myself.
My wish would be that those who don’t understand why the joke was offensive listen carefully to what’s being said about why it’s harmful, and to be willing to realize that jokes, simply because they are jokes, are not intrinsically benign.
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Kitty Stryker
Here, Rayne, as you might not see this otherwise, I posted an explanation for you
http://titsandsass.com/?p=5041
Jerry321999
@M & Rayne both you guys ROCK!!!
This whole thing turned into something it wasn’t many to be!
Rayne
Thanks, Jerry
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Lucid Obsession
People seem to have forgotten what “comedy” is. Have you guys ever been to see a comedian? They make fun of people, that’s kind of the point. It’s not intended to be hurtful, it’s supposed to make us stand back and look and laugh at ourselves. If you really get that offended over an offhand comment someone makes, you need to take another good look at yourself. I’m fat. Do I get upset and demand the producers apologize to all fat people every time a movie makes a fat joke? No.
In other words, it was a joke, if you found it funny, laugh, if you didn’t, don’t laugh but don’t get your panties in a damn bunch. They didn’t come out attacking sex workers, it was a JOKE.
Lilithe
The phrase “going down like a drunk hooker” is full of slut shaming. It is not celebratory, or honoring of sex work. It has the full feeling of frat boy ignorance of the life of a sex worker. It fuels the image of sex workers as strung out ho-bags. When you hear “drunk hooker”, does the wonder of a person sharing their body for the joys of sex come to mind? No, the image of a used up piece of substance strung sex garbage who will do anything for a buck does, and THAT is why an apology to sex workers was in need. Especially because a lot of us sex workers ARE Fetlife supporters. I was personally offended. Not overly offended, but offended nonetheless.
Lilithe
One other aspect of this, is that the bulk of sex workers who do use substances, are people who do not want to be doing sex work, or are trafficked, and they use substances to deal with the pain, to disassociate themselves so that they can work (or live with being forced to work).
There is a certain privilege for those of us who have chosen sex work, and in ignorance we can say “oh it’s just a joke”. It is not a fucking joke for the suffering of those in sex work who are forced to be there against their will, or are so hopeless they feel there is nothing else for them to do. It is an ignorant, tasteless and insensitive joke – not for us privileged sex workers, but for the ones who are not.
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